Ct200u ex governor delete problems

[200uexcmom]

so i recently aquired a coleman mini bike and rode it around a bit, and i heard you could remove the governor. So i watched a few videos and proceeded with removing it. Followed everything the video said, got everything back together and when i started it, the bike stays wide open without me touching the throttle at all. I have no idea what to do about this. I tried tinkering with the throttle linkage but my pull start took a dump on me. Someone with alittle more knowledge about this stuff please help me, id really appreciate it.

 

[SAS289]

Obviously you made a mistake with the throttle linkage. Are you able to post pictures of yours?

 

[200uexcmom]

Obviously you made a mistake with the throttle linkage. Are you able to post pictures of yours?

Yes i'll take a few pictures and post them as soon as i can.

 

[200uexcmom]

Yes i'll take a few pictures and post them as soon as i can.

 

[SAS289]

OK. So you opened the engine and removed the governor? If yes than the stock linkage no longer operates as designed because the governor is no longer there to close the throttle on the carb once the engine starts and the choke is opened.

Look at where the rod from the governor arm connects at the carb. You could see that even though your manual throttle linkage is in the idle position the throttle on the carb is open most of the way.

Your next step is to get your linkage setup to operate properly without the automatic operation the governor provided. There are quite a few ways to do this some good and some not so good. You need to decide which is best for you.

I run my engines governed and I have never thought about which ungoverned linkage I would use. I do know an easy way but wouldn't recommend it to others. Maybe others will provide imput as to what is best.

Are you aware of the risks when removing the governor and running the engine at higher RPM with it's stock engine parts?

 

[ole4]

If you removed the governor why is the governor arm still installed? That’s a good way to bust the top of the crankcase.

 

[200uexcmom]

If you removed the governor why is the governor arm still installed? That’s a good way to bust the top of the crankcase.

Thats a good point, maybe removing that governor arm altogether would solve my issue.

 

[200uexcmom]

OK. So you opened the engine and removed the governor? If yes than the stock linkage no longer operates as designed because the governor is no longer there to close the throttle on the carb once the engine starts and the choke is opened.

Look at where the rod from the governor arm connects at the carb. You could see that even though your manual throttle linkage is in the idle position the throttle on the carb is open most of the way.

Your next step is to get your linkage setup to operate properly without the automatic operation the governor provided. There are quite a few ways to do this some good and some not so good. You need to decide which is best for you.

I run my engines governed and I have never thought about which ungoverned linkage I would use. I do know an easy way but wouldn't recommend it to others. Maybe others will provide imput as to what is best.

Are you aware of the risks when removing the governor and running the engine at higher RPM with it's stock engine parts?

Yes i know the risks, and if i send a rod through the block, atleast ill be having fun lol. On the other hand, are there videos online on how to adjust these linkages that you know of?

 

[SAS289]

Yes i know the risks, and if i send a rod through the block, atleast ill be having fun lol. On the other hand, are there videos online on how to adjust these linkages that you know of?

I'm surprised that the videos you watched on how to remove the governor didn't include what to do with the linkage afterward. And most show how to remove the governor arm and the shaft it attaches to.

These kits look like the way to go if you don't want to get creative and rig your linkage. Too bad they are out of stock.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5335845805&icep_item=184332822285

You could have avoided opening your engine and the risks by installing a torque converter. That would get you more top speed than you will get from removing the governor. With a torque converter and stock Coleman gearing the engine doesn't produce the RPM that could pop a connecting rod or blow up the flywheel into your right leg.

And be careful with those youtube videos. A lot of those guys don't know what they are doing. One guy had a governor removal video that produced the identical issue you have. He ended up doing a follow up video to correct the problem. I wonder how many bikes took off crashing and if anyone got hurt?

 

[200uexcmom]

I'm surprised that the videos you watched on how to remove the governor didn't include what to do with the linkage afterward. And most show how to remove the governor arm and the shaft it attaches to.

These kits look like the way to go if you don't want to get creative and rig your linkage. Too bad they are out of stock.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5335845805&icep_item=184332822285

You could have avoided opening your engine and the risks by installing a torque converter. That would get you more top speed than you will get from removing the governor. With a torque converter and stock Coleman gearing the engine doesn't produce the RPM that could pop a connecting rod or blow up the flywheel into your right leg.

And be careful with those youtube videos. A lot of those guys don't know what they are doing. One guy had a governor removal video that produced the identical issue you have. He ended up doing a follow up video to correct the problem. I wonder how many bikes took off crashing and if anyone got hurt?

Lucky for me i hit the kill switch right away, i could only imagine what happened to others. I have some freetime today, ill see if i cant try and research some more and fix my problem. Ill keep you updated

 

[SAS289]

To be safe during or after you manipulate the throttle linkage get the back tire off the ground or remove the jackshaft chain while testing your work.

And you may find that the engine will not start like it did stock. This is because you will be starting the engine with the throttle on the carb at the idle position. What you will have is like trying to start your lawn mower with the manual throttle in the idle position. You may have to open the throttle slightly with your left hand while pulling with your right hand.

 

[200uexcmom]

So after a few days of research and some trial and error, i solved my problem. Ultimately what i did was remove the governor arm and all of its linkage. Using the little metal rod that connected the governor arm and the throttle on the carb, i fabricated a rod that connects the throttle linkage to the carb and it all seems to be running smoothly. After a bit of idle adjust adjustment, it runs like a dream now. Thank you for all the help. If anyone wants a picture i could take one.

 

[Davis]

So after a few days of research and some trial and error, i solved my problem. Ultimately what i did was remove the governor arm and all of its linkage. Using the little metal rod that connected the governor arm and the throttle on the carb, i fabricated a rod that connects the throttle linkage to the carb and it all seems to be running smoothly. After a bit of idle adjust adjustment, it runs like a dream now. Thank you for all the help. If anyone wants a picture i could take one.

I actually want a picture of the blown rod when it happens. You did nothing correctly just removing the governor. Ask me how I know.