its time to stand up and heard not sit and be quiet

[Adrenaline]

I completely support the second amendment and our right, as citiziens, to bear arms... that being said, the only people I trust to properly and effectively use military-grade automatic weapons are those professionally/suitably trained to do so, and not the average civilian who gets his giggles blasting the hillside with a huge clip of ammo.

We aren't talking fully automatic. While I think full auto would make a fun toy I agree ALOT of civilians have no business behind one. However if I want an AR or an AK (semi-auto)to take to the shooting range whats the problem? I haven't got a speeding ticket let alone committed a felony or act of violence. And while i agree with pre-requisite licensing to own them I'm all for civilians owning full auto if they go through proper channels. I would expect said licensing to be more extensive a process than i would choose to go through, and that's why it'd be there. To limit what people bother to take their hobby that far. However F/A is a different subject, sorry for goin' off topic.

 

[metal man]

Adrenalineis wright im not talking abut full auto stuff . most people will never see one short of a movie you need permits and more dealing with the cops then you really want to know . then there is the $20000$ plus for one made before 1986 .
im talking they want to take the legal sold im walmart gander mountian bobs gun and worm scary looking gun with a big mag holding more then 10 rounds .

and watch what you think is military grade weapons as you will get a big surprise the little 22 cal ya shot as a young boy and took out many a can with has a history as a snipers round . winchester model 74 22 short was used in the uk with silencers to take out mill targets . ya not kidding 22 tube fed squirrel slayer was a military grade weapon . some you see to day still have the threaded barrel from there other life .....

and as a side bit there has never been a registered machine gun used in a slaying or mass killing that i could ever find . it seems as tho the only ones used are illegal black market weapons , go figure crooks using illegal weapons to do illegal acts

 

[Itype2slo]

Save Yer BRASS Boys!

Yeah. Thats how a ban would start. Too many existing guns out there like cheap screwdrivers. Cut the ammo and thats like cutting the gas. I expect something sneaky like that.

 

[Beal]

I'm set......I have a concealed butter knife permit.

Excellent!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



As for the topic of fully automatic firearms... I see no practical reason for civilian use, aside from the fact it would be fun for target shooting. Atleast I think it would be fun... :shrug:

 

[jbrewton]

Ammo will be priced up again and the shelves will be empty!

Probably nothing will change but someone's getting richer and I'm getting poorer!
Sad to say but rights and lives are way down the list, someone's pockets are getting lined with money everyday to protect America!

 

[buckeye]

I heard from a reliable sourse that the federal govt is purchasing all the ammo they can get their hands on. Try finding ammo in the coming months.
Can't shoot if you have no ammo.:shrug:

 

[Beal]

I heard from a reliable sourse that the federal govt is purchasing all the ammo they can get their hands on. Try finding ammo in the coming months.
Can't shoot if you have no ammo.:shrug:

Thats depressing...

Makes me wish I had a few extra hunnerd bucks...
Perhaps then Id have enough to get a few years worth for my rifle...
:shrug:

 

[buckeye]

Millions of rounds.

 

[Beal]

Millions of rounds.

:doah:
What a shame...

 

[scootercat]

Ever watch old RifleMan shows?...He took a simi auto lever action and modified it to fire every time the lever was moved.....Count how long it takes to shoot...Not long!..But it takes a little while to shuck more foder back in...I just saw a blurb on the T.V. showing how quick a mag can be changed...The cop in the interview did the change in less than three seconds,and the interviewer did it in less than five....The shooter a sandy hook had a clip that held thirty rounds...You don't buy those at Gander/Wallys....:shrug:

 

[Itype2slo]

I know a girl that can speed load revolvers as fast as loading a clip without chipping a nail.

 

[buckeye]

She married??:laugh:

 

[Clayon]

I agree with the fact that the weapon isn't the problem, it is the person. Some people can tote a gun or knife and still act rationally and not cause any trouble, only use it strictly for protection or hunting or shooting range. Others can't handle it. I think that the bottom line is, common sense is not so common anymore.

 

[quiklids]

I'm all for the 2nd Amendment-

That being said, if you can't hit what you're aiming at with 10 rounds, you better pray the guy shooting back is an even worse shot than you!!

 

[Newoldstock]

..You don't buy those at Gander/Wallys....:shrug:

I can buy 30 round clips up here for something that fires 7.62 * 39 Soviet.
I can buy it and deliverd to my home and its completely Illeagal in Canada.

That shoudl tell you how effective gun control is.
No the problme is the menatly ill and wrong people getting their hands on them.
That and some proper attention to storage to ensure they are not stollen if your home ios broklen into

 

[scootercat]

I agree Newoldstock anything can be bought over the net,anything...But...Common sense...That must be learned....

 

[Neck]

Crazy people are going to kill people, that's just the way it is. If you ban assault rifles and somehow got every stinkin one of them out of the hands people that posses them, pistols and hunting rifles would be used instead. If guns were banned and there were none (Fat chance), fertilizer and diesel fuel would be used, and I don't think they will ban either of those. And to my recollection, two jet planes killed more than a couple a thousand people on 9/11, again, I don't think an airplane ban is going to happen. The problem I have with Assault weapons, is they were designed to kill large amount of people in a short period of time, and make it too easy for the Lunatics to do what they need to do before somebody can stop them. I was raised around guns, own a few, OK more than a few. But I have no use whatsoever for an Assault rifle!

Why should Assault rifles be available to the general public and not just to Military and Law enforcement?

 

[Oldsalt]

I completely support the second amendment and our right, as citiziens, to bear arms... that being said, the only people I trust to properly and effectively use military-grade automatic weapons are those professionally/suitably trained to do so, and not the average civilian who gets his giggles blasting the hillside with a huge clip of ammo.
I just don't see how the average citizen has any business owning fully automatic firearms of these types, as they were deisgned for a certain purpose and, perhaps not so coincidentally, for a certain caliber of user (no pun intended).
There will be those who disagree with me, and I have no desire to get into a pissing match with anyone on this specific point of view, but that's the good thing about this country, we have the right to politely agree to disagree.

Everything was sorta Ok your talking about assault wepons [uninformed on the subject but OK] until you got to the line

: "fully automatic firearms of these types". Do you really believe that the assault weapons that are commonly available are fully automatic???!!!! You note that you don't want to get into a pissing match with anyone on the subject. Well, you are safe. Anyone that you discuss your ideas with will not be pissing...they will be smirking.

 

[texasfabguy]

Crazy people are going to kill people, that's just the way it is. If you ban assault rifles and somehow got every stinkin one of them out of the hands people that posses them, pistols and hunting rifles would be used instead. If guns were banned and there were none (Fat chance), fertilizer and diesel fuel would be used, and I don't think they will ban either of those. And to my recollection, two jet planes killed more than a couple a thousand people on 9/11, again, I don't think an airplane ban is going to happen. The problem I have with Assault weapons, is they were designed to kill large amount of people in a short period of time, and make it too easy for the Lunatics to do what they need to do before somebody can stop them. I was raised around guns, own a few, OK more than a few. But I have no use whatsoever for an Assault rifle!

Why should Assault rifles be available to the general public and not just to Military and Law enforcement?

I wish they would ban alcohol, it makes killers out of normal people. No one needs to drink alcohol to survive. Also drunks cause more fights for no reason other than they are drunk,sometimes that leads to assault with a deadly weapons.

 

[Bikerscum]

Why should Assault rifles be available to the general public and not just to Military and Law enforcement?

Here's why...

The second amendment was never intended to keep you safe from a crack head coming through your bedroom window. The second amendment was to insure that the People would never again be subjected to tyranny by the government. Ours, or someone elses.

A balance of power of sorts. There's no way an equally armed army can overtake millions of equally armed citizens, so they won't even try.

Now, give the army M16's, and limit the citizens to shotguns, & you have a problem. It is that balance of power that makes us different from any other nation in the world. Take assault weapons away from citizens of Syria and replace then with shotguns. How would things look there as to prospects for freedom?

US citizens have "certain inalienable rights" that people have died for. And yet some are willing to cast them aside with abandon. They are truly clueless, and it saddens me.

If you're ever in the area, stop by the Veterans' Cemetery in north Phoenix. At #30-152 you'll find a grave marker for a USAF SMSGT with the wording... WWII Korea Vietnam. Leave a tall can of Bud (for God's sake not Bud Lite) there.. he'd like that.



A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.