Predator 212 vs Honda 110 dirt bike
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No, it's not 'the same' as a Honda gearset, but what are you saying? A tav 2 belt drive has a variable range of gear ratios from about 3:1 to direct drive or 10% overdriven depending on driver pulley size. That is a wider range than a lifan 125 4 speed, or a honda 3 speed. While some power gets lost as heat, making it less efficient, it requires no input from the operator beyond throttle input, and is tunable! Plus, when it is behind the power and torque advantage of the 212, it really negates any inefficiencies of belt slip. Since I have several good examples of both belt driven bikes, and transmission equipped bikes, I can attest that the only mini (z50/crf 50 style frame) that can run with my predator belt drive bikes are 125 lifan powered with big cam and big valve heads. The predator has way more capability to make power, and the available hot rod parts aren't stupidly expensive bits from kitaco or takegawa. Look into go cart racing for the real power capability of a predator.
What am I saying?
For starters when you have a real gear set you select the gear you want for the terrain.
Example, you are coming down a steep grade in the woods with tree roots sticking up from the soft earth, with the Honda transmission you can choose a lower gear to hold back the bike using the engine/transmission thereby allowing much better control and maneuverability.
TAV is not gonna do that until you get to Series 40, then they really start to hold you back.
I am not about to get into a pissing contest about which bike is faster, Horses for courses. You can set up either bike for what you want.
Here's the thing though.
That Honda 110 produces all its power at half the CC's
Wanna run up against a 200+ cc honda with your predator? No didn't think so.
I own many Predators and they are great inexpensive tunable engines, TAV's are good for what they do.
Difference here is one bike is Motorcycle and the other is an off road Mini Bike.
Guess which one holds it's value better?
Trail Ride both for 500 miles and tell me which one you had to work on, how many belts you chewed up in 500 miles.
Change the oil in the Honda's and ride all season, do it every year and they just do not break.
My Honda's;
1980 CT110 Trail High/Low range 4 speed
1972 SL70 4 speed manual
1970 CT70 3 speed auto
2009 50cc Metropolitan
My TAV bikes;
Heald VT7
MTD Trailflight
Baja beater
It's all good.
Peace out.
Keith
For starters when you have a real gear set you select the gear you want for the terrain.
Example, you are coming down a steep grade in the woods with tree roots sticking up from the soft earth, with the Honda transmission you can choose a lower gear to hold back the bike using the engine/transmission thereby allowing much better control and maneuverability.
TAV is not gonna do that until you get to Series 40, then they really start to hold you back.
I am not about to get into a pissing contest about which bike is faster, Horses for courses. You can set up either bike for what you want.
Here's the thing though.
That Honda 110 produces all its power at half the CC's
Wanna run up against a 200+ cc honda with your predator? No didn't think so.
I own many Predators and they are great inexpensive tunable engines, TAV's are good for what they do.
Difference here is one bike is Motorcycle and the other is an off road Mini Bike.
Guess which one holds it's value better?
Trail Ride both for 500 miles and tell me which one you had to work on, how many belts you chewed up in 500 miles.
Change the oil in the Honda's and ride all season, do it every year and they just do not break.
My Honda's;
1980 CT110 Trail High/Low range 4 speed
1972 SL70 4 speed manual
1970 CT70 3 speed auto
2009 50cc Metropolitan
My TAV bikes;
Heald VT7
MTD Trailflight
Baja beater
It's all good.
Peace out.
Keith
No worries, and I apologize for coming across like a frustrated dude stuck in the house for the last 6 weeks! My son's ct200u has a stock predator (except for a jet, exhaust pipe, air filter, and 4 degrees of timing advance). It has a chinese knockoff tav2 with the 6 3/4. I added a yellow spring in the driver pulley- in the middle hole. It will engine brake itself to a stop if you let off the throttle. For the ease of use, my opinion is it is hard to beat a well-tuned tav2 for under 10 hp bikes. Nope it's not a transmission with real gears, but you can build a bike like my son's for about 200 more than the cost of the bike, which you can find for about 300 or less, imho. So, for 500ish bucks, it is hard to beat the bang for the buck. I'm 200 lbs, and have yet to break any part of my own ct200u. It has been through about 4 predator motors,a few tires, lots of carbs, heads, cams, etc. I am a fan of the predator because of the insane variety of parts available, and the $120 replacement cost! Maybe a budget build buildoff is in order! At any rate, I appreciate the discussion, and exchange of ideas!
No apology needed, I think we're all on edge. Not sure what area you live in but here in my part of PA we are still in full lockdown and because we are grouped in with Phila. we will be the last to get relaxed.
Sucks so bad, I have all this time to do something and everything is cancelled. No flea markets, no yard sales, etc.
Agree the Coleman's are a great value and very receptive to mods same as the Baja Heat and Warrior's were.
Have an extra Baja Heat just for spare parts, but it's complete so if I need a test mule at any time it can be put into service.
It's really great to see main stream retailers such as Walmart and Tractor Supply sell mini bikes. Let's people know they weren't just something form the 60's-70's.
Anyway good talking and if you get a chance post up some pics of your ride.
Later,
Keith
Sucks so bad, I have all this time to do something and everything is cancelled. No flea markets, no yard sales, etc.
Agree the Coleman's are a great value and very receptive to mods same as the Baja Heat and Warrior's were.
Have an extra Baja Heat just for spare parts, but it's complete so if I need a test mule at any time it can be put into service.
It's really great to see main stream retailers such as Walmart and Tractor Supply sell mini bikes. Let's people know they weren't just something form the 60's-70's.
Anyway good talking and if you get a chance post up some pics of your ride.
Later,
Keith
This discussion is pretty interesting. Getting a lot of different opinions about it. I think we can all agree though, for comfort, a dirt bike is definitely better. At least if you live in the rocky mountains like me where good shocks are the difference between enjoying or hating a ride.
I feel so bad for all you in lockdown. I'm in Utah.
I feel so bad for all you in lockdown. I'm in Utah.
This stuff is going to hit rural areas just like it has hit the big cities. We are ALL in this mess, and the rush to open for business is part of the problem- not part of the solution. The social isolation sucks, but the alternative is catching this stuff and spreading it to everyone around you, and overwhelming our capability to treat it medically. If your location hasn't been affected yet, it is coming.
I'm not even a mormon, and plus that has nothing to do with it. You are saying un-informed stuff based on hate towards mormons.
If any of you want to talk with any sense instead of just insulting me then maybe I will talk with you guys. If you guys just wanna act like dickheads then don't bother. Only idiots go straight to insulting people.
If any of you want to talk with any sense instead of just insulting me then maybe I will talk with you guys. If you guys just wanna act like dickheads then don't bother. Only idiots go straight to insulting people.
(1) You're talking to a kid, so address him as you would want a stranger to address your kid. (2) This is a minibike forum, politics don't belong here. (3) After checking some of your previous posts, I'm recommending you for banishment. (4) Have a nice day! 
I appreciate your humble reply and I have withdrawn my recommendation to ban you but that will be up to Hent, I had already sent the report. I consider Nathan a friend so I felt a responsibility to step in. If you were to search his early threads, you would see that I was very active in them, trying to provide guidance. This forum should be family-friendly.
I am sorry, Nathan. I was totally out of line, and there was no excuse for my bad attitude and negativity. I apologize. I truly am sorry. I really have enjoyed this forum, and have learned a lot. I should have never let politics, and the bad attitudes that it can carry along with it, become a part of my interaction on this site. I am not here for politics. I am here for mini bikes. I hope you are safe and well, and enjoying some extra riding time during this crazy time. I really should have chosen my words more carefully. I was a jerk. I am sorry.
