Stage 2 Predator 212 Will not start nor run right. Please help me!!

#21
Your VM22 from GPS appears to use Kehin pilot jets. The 38 Kehin is about the same as a 15 Mikuni The original mikuni pilot that came in these carbs had an OD on the thread of .150 some of the Kehin used a 5mm or 6mm thread size. Can you measure the od of the threads on your pilot? That would help with finding what pilots yours has.
 

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#23
The jets that are currently installed in your carb are a good baseline jetting that should work in most applications . Your carb does not have a choke but an enrichment system that adds both air and fuel (in a rich mixture) to your carbs pilot system. It is on when the brass plunger is pulled up. The fact that it will only run with the enrichener is on and shuts off when closed means a lean condition, sounds like you have an air leak.
 
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Your VM22 from GPS appears to use Kehin pilot jets. The 38 Kehin is about the same as a 15 Mikuni The original mikuni pilot that came in these carbs had an OD on the thread of .150 some of the Kehin used a 5mm or 6mm thread size. Can you measure the od of the threads on your pilot? That would help with finding what pilots yours has.
Sounds good man i’ll reply after measuring it when i work on the bike in a few hours. Thanks a lot for the reply.
 
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The jets that are currently installed in your carb are a good baseline jetting that should work in most applications . Your carb does not have a choke but an enrichment system that adds both air and fuel (in a rich mixture) to your carbs pilot system. It is on when the brass plunger is pulled up. The fact that it will only run with the enrichener is on and shuts off when closed means a lean condition, sounds like you have an air leak.
That’s what a lot of people have been saying. If you look at the photos i did a real shitty job of cleaning the gasket. I’m gonna go ahead, revert all the jets back to stock, thoroughly make sure there are no air leaks, and get back. Thanks a lot for taking the time for the reply.
 
#26
First make sure all your carb and manifold seams are correctly gasketted and air tight. The pulling hard may be to overcome too much air leaking in and diluting the air/fuel mix flowing through the throttle body.
So, I took off my Mikuni along with my manifold. Reverted all the jets to stock. Looked through my main jet hole and saw light through it. I scraped off everything I could to make it flat and make sure there was no left over gasket. I cleaned off the manifold and all the gasket from there. Then i carefully put it on to the carburetor to line up the o-ring (check picture). I then put a brand new gasket on and put it on my bike. After hooking up the throttle cable i fed it some gas. Upon trying to start it the same exact problem persisted; still not starting unless on choke and with a little throttle. I try leaving it running for 2-3 minutes or so before turning choke off. Still nothing it dies instantly after turning off the choke. Now I see that there is gas pouring out one of the vent tubes coming out of the carburetor on the bottom. I now try to do the same thing and it’s not starting. It’s only staying on with some throttle. Then all of a sudden, white smoke just pops out of the carburetor. I’m going to attach a youtube link with a video of it happening. Luckily i recorded so you guys can see exactly what’s going on. Really hope I didn’t mess up the engine. Thanks. (Also, I do have an exact same carburetor as this one laying around, brand new unopened if that’s needed) video link:
 

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Minimichael

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#33
It's hard to say. Where your air screw set at? Does your slide/cable set up allow the slide to reach bottom before adjustment? Because you shouldn't adjust idle more than about 2mm off the floor.
 
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It's hard to say. Where your air screw set at? Does your slide/cable set up allow the slide to reach bottom before adjustment? Because you shouldn't adjust idle more than about 2mm off the floor.
air screw is all the way in, and then around 1 1/2 turns out. no the idle is not all the way on the bottom. when the idle screw is completely turned out it will still have a bit of space.
 
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Might also put a real gasket at the flange with the o-ring. It'll guarantee the seal at least. I'm attaching a mikuni manual in case it helps, too.
so what are the next steps I should take? I’m thinking it might possibly be a faulty carburetor and might just order a new one. Any recommendations for other carburetors that you can swear by or recommend ?
 

SAS289

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If gas is leaking down from the carb bowl I gotta believe your pilot might not be able to work right. Kindofa carbospheric pressure issue. Either that or just dry-bowl.
I'm wondering why and how it stopped leaking after about 27 seconds into the video.

He shouldn't have to be in there tweaking the float on a new carb. GPS had it open to put a 130 jet in there and should have verified the float adjustment while it was open. In their video they suggest half to 3/4 out on the idle mixture screw. Why wouldn't it come already set that way? And if they were good they would put the idle (slide) screw in a known good starting position.

The GPS kit is $98. For the extra $60 over an Amazon kit they should have it completely setup at a base line for their customers. Otherwise, you are paying $60 for a 130 jet and "GPS" etched onto the carb. These VM22 clone carb kits are $30 on Amazon. I'm sure it's possible to get a bad one. But the two I got worked once set up and tuned.
 
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