Kohler command 6.5

65ShelbyClone

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#2
Jeez, it looks exactly like a Chinese ripoff of a Honda. I don't mean just the photo on their site; the SH265 owner's manual has diagrams and everything looks exactly like a GX200 clone.



Oh, that's why. :rolleyes:

:thumbdown:

Kohler's original F200 class powerplant was the XKE, based on a CH6 model 6hp utility engine. It was known for being a sturdier engine than the competition and even more expensive than the Hondas and Yamahas.
 
#3
hmm wow didnt see it was made in china!!:facepalm: so pretty much its the same as a honda? so i assume honda mod parts could fit these engines? found a good price on one and was wondering if they could be modded before i bought one.hate to buy it and then find out it cant be modded out.
 
#8
imo same quality as a HF engine. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they're made in the same Chinese factory. You know that there are mods on the market for the HF and a lot of people have used that engine, plus you can usually find coupons to get the HF for $99 so I don't see any advantage to getting this Kohler instead
 
#9
i see well that should clear up some questions about that!! lol not much of a fan of the HF engine much..from how ceap there made to experiencing with one i rather have a flatty or a realy honda for that matter!
 
#12
All your payin for is that kohler sticker. Mi friend bought one saying it was better than my dupor and lifans . Then we started comparing parts and he realized he payed twice what I paid for the same motor.
 
#13
Nice! they use a trusted name as if there own and make a piece of $(#&$ and you buy it thinking its a genuine Kohler, idiot thing is it's giveaway, it looks like a Honda. Bad is you cannot sue a Chi company for using a copyrighted name etc as it causes "Bad Relations" besides, they do not recognize others patents or tradmarks etc, but if you use a Chi one.. you will get a nasty letter from the U.S. State Dept in no time at all. Probably find Hillery Clinton on your doorstep too.:hammer:
 
#14
Nice! they use a trusted name as if there own and make a piece of $(#&$ and you buy it thinking its a genuine Kohler, idiot thing is it's giveaway, it looks like a Honda. Bad is you cannot sue a Chi company for using a copyrighted name etc as it causes "Bad Relations" besides, they do not recognize others patents or tradmarks etc, but if you use a Chi one.. you will get a nasty letter from the U.S. State Dept in no time at all. Probably find Hillery Clinton on your doorstep too.:hammer:
You are absolutely correct!

Much better to buy a Briggs made in China than a clone because that way you ensure the profits go to the top 1% of Americans instead of the hands of some unknown Chinese comunist party official.....

Makes you feel better now doesn't it?

After several minuts of thought....
These are basicly the same people anyways so whats the difference?
Both buy the same US politicians, both hide their money in Swiss banks acounts and both laugh at the working man who strugles to make a living no matter what the colour of his skin....

And to add a touch more insult to Injury Briggs and Stratton is owned by a company from India
 
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#16
thanks guys!! i'm glad i changed my mind and didnt get it!! much rather have a briggs any day! :thumbsup:
Because sending your money to India feels better than China?

Reminds me of a funny story.

There is a company in India called KOEL.
They started out kind of like Massey Ferg making plows ect.
Moved into oil engines in the 30s and 40s.
Infact they still manufacture many of the same technologiocaly outdated small engines they did in the 1940s, but they also make marine propulsion diesel for ships and pumps, transfomers electrical equipment, contruction and are even in the oil buisness now.

The were laughed at for cloning so they got into bed with Briggs in the 90s. Briggs agreement allowed them access to propriatery technology.
They never cloned a Briggs product but the knolege they gained made them even stronger.

Now KOEL has driven CAT from the Indian continent and is making inroads into markets here with clones of other people engines and thanks to Briggs and Duetz they have developed engines of their own more than able to compete. Infact they have done enough harm to duetz to force them to abandon complete lines of engines they cloned.

One of my fav clones is this one,
http://kirloskarapps.kirloskar.com/kirloskar/web/13$5002.html

This humble little fellow is a rip off of a 1940 Petters design ha thas been pumped up by incorperating internal engine parts from an East German truck manufacturer. Its closest Wester relative is the Lister/Petter WPH1 diesel. The difference is this is more powerful, has been produced in greater numbers and is much cheaper.

Lister/Petter is not laughing.
They have been crushed by an Indian compnay they sold designs and technical info too.

KOEL did not buy the Briggs & Stratton corp, they got what they needed....

Some other Indian outfit did, but why?
because its a brand with a loyal following and they will make money off of it.

I could write all day about this and tell you about the different grades of engines for demostic and export from Asia and how many compnaies with a very short sighted view have been sucked into partnerships that in the end weaken them ( Honda and China for example ). And I can tell you about compnaies that resisted them ( Andoria from Poland ) that still produce their own engines and beat back the clones by not dealing with the Chinese in any form.

The lesson is if you want to be in the buisness of building anything you need to look after your home market first and be self relient. You need to involve your employees and resist the urge to outsource or you will face your former friends in the world market with clones of your own product or worse.
 
#17
lol true!! i would never really buy a clone first off! there poorly made!! i just thought for the price i could have gotten it for it would have maybe worked for my setup but i have 3 other engines that are ready to u so i said forget it since kohler isnt american made anymore!
 
#18
Kohler is an American family owned company.

That gives them an advantage in long term planning without the mindless slah and burn profit in every corner mentality.
What I mean sometimes you need to take some losses, and regroup invest and change direction.

They have a lot of political friends and I amagine a lot of backl slapping and hand shakig goes on behind closed doors to keep them making something in the USA

Its an effective strategy.....

It looks as if they bought out Laberndini.
Thats a very fine line of Italian diesel engines ( also cloned heavily in India for example ).
They probably got the company cheap because of it.

They may regroup and come back hard you can never tell.

FACT is its hard to make engines unless you are the cheapest producer.
Its simply to expensive to pay people a living wage and manufacture a product that is easily cloned like small engine. Also free trade and the global ecconomy means Capaital flows where costs are the lowest as easily as products are imported

There is always the possibilty that the next technological wave in manufaturing dramiticaly reduces the the number of workers needed to manufacture a low tech product like an engine. This would likely make it cost effect to build a lot of things here again, unfortunately they would not not employ a lot of workers and the next strategy to atract them is to further cut taxes so they do not uproot and move to Ireland for example ( As Tillotson did to avoid US taxes ).

So you end up with Zombi factories with Squishy yellow slant eyed robots or hard metal ones, take your pick......

In any event us peasents will be too poor to buy these anyways.

Good news is I think one day we can make or own engines with 3d printers, and I suspect the revolution is not that far off anyways lol.
 

65ShelbyClone

Well-Known Member
#19
I wouldn't have as big a problem with outsourcing to China if it wasn't for two things: quality most often goes down and the cost to me remains the same at best if it doesn't go up.

Case in point: Outdoor Research used to make their waterproof hats in the U.S. and they cost a lot...around $55. Sometime between '04 and '07 they moved production to China. Now the stitching is sloppy, they don't use real Velcro anymore, the chin strap adjuster is a little rubber grommet instead of a spring-loaded plastic plunger-type, and they still cost $55.

And now Kohler is ripping off Honda via Chinese clones. :no:
 
#20
I wouldn't have as big a problem with outsourcing to China if it wasn't for two things: quality most often goes down and the cost to me remains the same at best if it doesn't go up.

Case in point: Outdoor Research used to make their waterproof hats in the U.S. and they cost a lot...around $55. Sometime between '04 and '07 they moved production to China. Now the stitching is sloppy, they don't use real Velcro anymore, the chin strap adjuster is a little rubber grommet instead of a spring-loaded plastic plunger-type, and they still cost $55.

And now Kohler is ripping off Honda via Chinese clones. :no:
Don't blame the robot.
its the quality control that decides what is exceptable stitching and velcro.
 
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