break in

#1
hi i just bought a 6.5hp clone and was wandering if there is any thing speacial i need to do for the first start up and breakin
i ask becasue i have a couple nitro r/c cars and there is a special breakin you have to follow to make the egine last
i have herd that for the first run you should chage the oil after like 30 minutes is this true?
any info will be apricciated
Robbie
 

Kenny1

New Member
#2
This may not be good advise but I have a clone that I removed the gov before I ever started it and filled it with Royal Purple 5w30. I have beat the snot out of it for about 4 months and the oil looks brand new still. Doesnt use any oil and runs great. I'm running an open header and a Mikuni carb on it and I wrap the heck out of it. I think as long as you make sure the rings seat well you are good to go. Just my experience.
 
#4
Robbie...Did you get an operator's manual with your motor? Almost all operator's manuals give you a break-in procedure. In my 60+ years of working with motors I have yet to see one manufacturer tell you to: Fill crankcase with oil. Fill gas tank with fuel. Start motor and beat the hell out of it. If beating the hell out of a new motor is "good" (as recommended above) then really beating the hell out of it has to be "better". With that in mind I think that you should try this. Anchor the motor down. Fill with oil and gas. Start it up. Using wire or rope; lash the throttle in the wide open position and let your motor run at its maximum red line rpm's for three or four hours or until it runs out of gas. By that time it should be broken in "real good". If that sounds stupid to you then go with your gut feeling and break it in slowly and you and your motor grow old together....Ogy.
 

Kenny1

New Member
#5
Now hold on....I never said I recommend beating the crap out of it. It's just what I do to my stuff and I have never had problem one doing it that way. I am a firm believer in breaking an engine in the way you want it to run. Ever bought a car from someone that babied it. What happens when you go out and open it up?
 
#6
Robbie...Did you get an operator's manual with your motor? Almost all operator's manuals give you a break-in procedure. In my 60+ years of working with motors I have yet to see one manufacturer tell you to: Fill crankcase with oil. Fill gas tank with fuel. Start motor and beat the hell out of it.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Glad I put down the beverage before reading. :doah:


Use regular oil for breaak in (synthetic later if that what you want) Change the oil real soon because it's full of metal shavings (which no one has good enough eyes to see). Two theories about seating rings, one is beat the hell out of it and the other normal stop and go driving.
 
#7
so could i then just start it up and drive it around my yard (where i will be driving most of the time) for say an hour and then change the oil and be done
 

Oldsalt

Well-Known Member
#9
GTO has it right. Change the oil real soon after fireing up the engine. Regarding it being a good idea to beat the hell out of the engine shortly after starting it the first time: Seems to me that the extra blow-by of hot gasses [that has to be there before the rings seat] coupled with the higher level of heat generated by the rings while seating make that theory sorta hard to believe. Especially in an air cooled engine that is a flathead. The hot exhaust port next to the cylinder bore causes a distortion, due to heat, that a water cooled OHV engine does not have to cope with. The slug sticking out the top of the engine block in my avatar makes the compression ratio slightly over 16 to 1. The engine builder always breaks in new rings very carefully. I'm not even going to ask him if it is ever a good idea to rev a new set of rings.
 
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#12
Most small engine powered products I've ever bought new, you were supposed to change the oil after the first 5 hours and every 50 hours after that.
 
#13
Here is what I personally would do......

get some cheap oil just good old cheap oil that is the right weight for the engine and fill it up and just drive it slow for like 3 hours or so and then change the oil because of the metal shavings that not even a good eye can see and refill with good quality oil like Royal Purple and that should be good for like a month or two then id say to change it again with royal purple but thats my opinion....
 

Zach

New Member
#14
Most small engine powered products I've ever bought new, you were supposed to change the oil after the first 5 hours and every 50 hours after that.

Jimh H is right. Every small engine i've owned be it lawnmower,weed wacker, snowblower,etc all say to change the oil 4-5 hours of use. Run the engine moderately to hard. Don't over REV the engine! Just use like normal operation and don't over exert the engine. Than change the oil out and after driving couple hundred more miles consider the engine fully broke in.
 
#15
You da man strigoi......you da man !!!!!
i believe in riding/driving new vehicles the way you plan on riding right from the get go. i've had no problems with my mini bike or my truck and i've done it that way with them.

on car boards that i go on, it seems like the people with the faster cars (still stock) drove the hell out of them from the beginning.
 
#16
Have any of you done any reading or heard about the content of zinc and/or phosphorous in motor oil?

Common motor oils that are intended for passenger care usage have been reformulated in the last few years. The levels of zinc have been reduced drastically. Zinc is an important additive for flat tappet camshaft engines. It provides the needed lubrication in high pressure areas such as the lifter & cam lobe contact area.

Most newer passenger car engines have roller cams these days & are not as dependant upon zinc. I believe zinc may cause problems with O2 sensors & possibly the cat cans.

Motor oils that are intended for use in diesel engines have not had the levels of zinc reduced as drastically. They still have much less zinc than previously, but the last I heard they still have enough to protect flat tappet cams. The two brands with the highest levels were Rotella & Delo. I have been using Delo 400 for several years in my Dodge/Cummins & have started using it in almost all my engines, especially during break in.

There are several zinc additives available in the aftermarket. General Motors used to sell a product known as "EOS" that was an excellent break in additive. I believe it may have been used as an assembly lube also. I don't know if it is still available. Competition Cams offers a zinc additive along with this company. ZDDPlus™ - ZDDP Additive for Classic Cars - Agricultural Equipment & More

The important issues during new engine break in are:

To insure the piston rings mate to the cylinder walls to insure the best seal possible.

To insure that the camshaft lobes & lifters mate to each other & work harden without flattening the lobes in the process.

Of course you want to make sure that all bearing surfaces have sufficient lubrication during the first few moments of operation to prevent scoring.

Now you must remember that all these freshly machined parts inside your engine will have thousands of sharp edges, tooling marks, etc. Hopefully your engine was built with acceptable tolerances/clearances & most likely may be a bit on the 'tight side'. What this means, is that when you start this collection of new parts. A lot of rough & tight surfaces will be meeting each other for the first time. Thousands of tiny metallic pieces will be broken off as parts wear in to each other & eventually become smooth. These metallic pieces will be floating around in your oil, while being circulated through your engine & possibly scratching areas that should not be scratched. With tolerances on the tight side, the engine will also be producing more heat than usual & could possibly over-heat.

My thoughts on breaking in an engine is to use a high quality oil with a zinc additive to protect the cam. Usually I will use a single weight oil that is lighter than usual.(Unless I'm using Delo 400) I do not believe in using a synthetic oil during break in. I have read that it is to slippery. (There are break in procedures specifically for synthetics that usually involve dyno loading the engine)

I also use the freshest premium gas that I can. I like to add a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil to the fuel for the sake of the valves.

A good spark plug & determine that timing is as correct as you can get it. Timing retard will cause a lot of heat.

Supply of cooling air such as cool outside air, a box fan, etc.

When you have double checked everything... Fire her up!

In an automobile application. An engine with a flat tappet camshaft is usually brought up to the 2500 RPM range & the RPM is varied about 500 RPM above & below that range for at least 20 minutes or so. A lot of times the engine will begin to get too hot to continue & will need to be shut down & allowed to cool. Then restart & hit 2500 RPM again. This is to insure that plenty of oil is splashed onto the camshaft. After 20 to 30 minutes of run time. Shut it down & immediately drain the hot oil & remove the oil filter. You want to try to get as many of those tiny metal particles out of there as you can, before they settle out.

After the engine cools enough to work on it & all the oil has drained out. Refill the crank case with more oil & zinc additive. Inspect engine for any leaks, problems, etc. If all is well... Now we drive. I do not believe in beating the snot out of the engine. I also do not believe in babying it either. I avoid operating the engine at a steady state. I like to run it up the RPM range to about half & then let off several times. It's nice to have a nice long hill nearby. Run it up the hill easy, but more importantly... coast down the hill with no throttle. This will create vacuum that will help seat the rings.

I operate the engine as described above for about 500 miles or so. I change the oil at least once more around that 500 mile mark. After 500 to 1k miles, I figure I can start to hammer down. I do believe in high quality oils & frequent changes.

Now obviously a $99 to $150 clone may not require as extensive of a break in as a V-8 that has at least $5k in it, but it can't hurt.

I read an article on how a performance shop breaks in a Briggs engine that they intended to build for a racing class that required that the valve seat angles not be modified. Unfortunately I am unable to locate the article at this time. If anyone else knows of this article, please post a link to it. Before starting the engine. This shop would install new valve guides that had a much tighter spec than OEM Briggs. Then they would reassemble the engine & run a tank of fuel through it at a certain throttle setting for 20 minutes at a time while allowing it to cool between runs. This would heat cycle the engine. After this procedure, they would then tear it down & perform all their trick performance modifications.

Below are some links to a few interesting sites if you want to learn more about the subject.

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power
Bob Is The Oil Guy
Engine Oiling Tips from the Pros - Tips & Tricks - Circle Track Magazine
 
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#17
Change the oil real soon because it's full of metal shavings (which no one has good enough eyes to see). Two theories about seating rings, one is beat the hell out of it and the other normal stop and go driving.

Really?
I Didnt see any Shavings in any of the 10 Lifans I have tore apart brand new.


The Jang Dong I had Sure did though and My New Tecumseh OHV 6.5 not only had shavings but 1/4" turnings from the drilling cycles in it right out of the box....
 
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