interesting article and my thoughts

#1
Reposting an article that put into words very well the impressions I am left with after my daily browsing and rumination of several news paper.

Its 1937 - 2.0.
Time to find a horse and build a Bennett buggy.

No just kidding.
But I do have plan B and it involves a truck that burns wood gas.

Four years after Lehman: Are you better off? - The Globe and Mail

Looks like the CAW will strike the big three.
Never happened before.
I wonder will they scab?
Back to work legislation maybe?
Or will there be a sit in strike ( hey another reference to 1937 - 2.0 )

NHL strike looming.
Who cares.....

Striking miners in SA, 40,000 of them I hear choking off a lot of gold and platinuim production.
I'm suprised that the ANC would make black police men shoot other black men under a goverment of black men....
Just goes to show you the power of money I guess ( I suspect a bunch of rich white men have turn a lot of elected black men into cronies on the take, but any colour of man will do these days )

Occupy:
1 year later nothing has changed but we still talk about the 1% and now its understood by all.
A statistic I read in this article and a few others confirms my theory that the midle and poor are now 8% poorer than in 2008 and decline is not stopping.
But the good news is 95% of all the growth has ended up in the pocket of the top 1%.

200 million people world wide that used to live like you and me are on pogey, welfare or some sort of hand out.
Leads me to wonder when the next conservative politiicians will do something out of kindness to get all these unemployed men off the streets.
Something like labour camps.
Its funny in a way because before we knew the word Gulag, we made our own.

I see a parallel bewteen Occupy and the Trekkers of the 1930s.
At least the response this time around was better.
Very little busting of skulls gun play from the mounties.
But I think the difference is the Trekkers were going to hit Ontario and critical mass would mean the politicians had to get riud of them before a real revolution.
Seems to me I read something about former soldiers in the USA setting up a tent city and the police were sent in to evect them too because they were too close to the white house and too many for the politicians to be comfortable with.
Occupy it seems was just ignored until they froze them out.
Pity.....


The Paranoid files:
Don't laugh, I have a pile of paper on hard copy for reference how too just about all I need.
I started my paranoid files btw in 2006, completed them sometime before 2008 as I recall.

They sit there collecting dust, when I feel better about the state of the world I look at them and the layer of dust and mock them.....
And I shake my head at my own foolishness because the sky is not falling out there is it chicken little.

Of course some times I look at them and its not so funny.
Dam politicians better get get their heads out of their bums real soon and fix this mess because its just as dangerous as it was 4 years ago.

And if this does all fall apart like I suspect it might my paranoid files will not save me with the foolish dream of a homestead in the hills and and a patch vegies, burning farts to cook on and winding old micorwave oven magents into coils of wire bolted between hand carved wind turbine blade and a front strut off an old volvo....
Probably not enough wind alone for energy production may have to harness the methane digester too ( the great source of burning farts ).
Madness realy who would believe we can live without I pods and scavange instead the parts to build an aplidyne and MG set.
I might need some electricity foro the electrtic fence you know to keep they roving band of angery hybrid polar bears moving south because of global warming.....

Global warming BTW:
Its official....
The tipping point has been reached and the perma frost is melting.
Nothing can be done now so don't worry about carbon tax.
Expect Russian freightors crossing the pole to load up at Church Hill.
When former PM Paul Martin bough the port as part of his Canada shipping lines everyone laughed.
Who wants a forzen morth balled port you can only use a month or two a year?
Better question how was he so sure all those years back then it would thaw out enough to be a major shipping hub some day in the future for oil, gas, grains.

This has turned into more of a random thoughts about the storm cloud on the horizon thread.

OK:
Over to you Oldsalt.
Whatcha going to say that contradicts me this time.
Pass me them rose coloured glass while your at it, even your best written retort might be hard to buy.
 

Oldsalt

Well-Known Member
#2
The Globe and Mail

Striking miners in SA, 40,000 of them I hear choking off a lot of gold and platinuim production.
I'm suprised that the ANC would make black police men shoot other black men under a goverment of black men....Just goes to show you the power of money I guess ( I suspect a bunch of rich white men have turn a lot of elected black men into cronies on the take, but any colour of man will do these days )


1 year later nothing has changed but we still talk about the 1% and now its understood by all.
A statistic I read in this article and a few others confirms my theory that the midle and poor are now 8% poorer than in 2008 and decline is not stopping.
But the good news is 95% of all the growth has ended up in the pocket of the top 1%.

Dam politicians better get get their heads out of their bums real soon and fix this mess because its just as dangerous as it was 4 years ago.


OK:
Over to you Oldsalt.
Whatcha going to say that contradicts me this time.
Pass me them rose coloured glass while your at it, even your best written retort might be hard to buy.

Globe and Mail!!!! Why impeach everything you write by firstly admitting that you have been reading that socialist rag!!!

Then the striking African miners thing. [See above quote]. I'm still in a state of shock. You are implying that it, no, belay that, you are STATING that it is, obviously, incredible that black policemen would blast black rioters but [and this is the shocker] would, obviously, only do so if given permission by their black superiors! You are saying that they would not have required special permission if the armed rioters were brown, yellow, white or red? It sure looks that way to me! Then, to really take my breath away, you say, right out front and in unmistakeable words, that, quote, "rich white men" had obviously turned, quote: a "lot of elected black men into cronies". There can be no doubt. Absolutely no question about it: Your message is: Rich [not poor ones because they are, to a man, incapable of being racists], White [Has to be white dudes because only whites would want to see blacks blasted, all other colors are incapable [because of their genes] of promoting such a thing], Men [only the male gender is culpable] are the lowest form of life and continually tramp about all continents [including Southern Africa] with the mission of convincing the local peaceful, God loving masses to kill each other.

Then there is the 8% poorer that poor folk have gotten in the last few years. As soon as anyone wide awake sees a "percentage", when invoked to prove a point, they snicker. As "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" so is "Percentages are the last refuge of the BSer". Then you belabor the mythical "1%" that soaked up the largess that should have went to the deserving, but downtrodden, poor folk. The whole proposition is childish and not supported by anything. But, I know, lefties wish to promote the 'class warfare' [of which Engels and Marx were quite correct in saying is necessary for socialism/communism to succeed] no mater how wrongheaded or silly.

Then, as usual, you opine that the politicians should get off their asses and "fix" all the messes in the world. Where did you get the quaint idea [you repeatedly trot it out] that all would instantly be Valhalla if the "Rotten, Greedy, Rich, Politicians" would simply go into legislative session and pass the right laws! Your belief [the type necessary to believe in the Tooth Fairy] is that they are all instantly diseased by money as soon as they hit office. And the money is coming from them rich people that are only rich because they took it from the poor! It just doesn't work that way, sorry.
 
#3
Like window opens a fresh breeze blows in!
Its Oldsalt on time to show us the other side of ths spin cycle.

So my friend lets boil this down some.
If not the politicians, then
"Who gonna fix dis ting chum ?"

If not class and class warfare how does one explain the fact the US economy ( and Canada for that matter ) grows, but the working people with under $100,000 dollars of combined household income continue not to reap any benefits of this utopian age of growth?
" How we gonna fix dat ? "

White man's burden.
Yup, sucks to be a disproportionate racial minorty in the top 1% of society.

IS this a hotbed of marxist doctrine too?
http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf
 
#4
Then, as usual, you opine that the politicians should get off their asses and "fix" all the messes in the world. Where did you get the quaint idea [you repeatedly trot it out] that all would instantly be Valhalla if the "Rotten, Greedy, Rich, Politicians" would simply go into legislative session and pass the right laws! Your belief [the type necessary to believe in the Tooth Fairy] is that they are all instantly diseased by money as soon as they hit office. And the money is coming from them rich people that are only rich because they took it from the poor! It just doesn't work that way, sorry.
Hm...

Karl Marx with a wand and wings fluttering around redstributing wealth.
I like that mental picture.
Infact I think I want that drawn on something.

I also want a crome bust of Marx's head with his hair blown back and eyeballs buldging as an orniment for my mini where the head light used to be.

Time to get serious for a moment though.
What fixes social inequailty and raises a standard of living now when the system is so fooked up as it is now.
Geniune question Oldsalt.
Because I have no answeres....

Socialism 2.0 is going to get rolled out soon me thinks, just needs the right salesman.
( there are also competing products like Fascism 3.0 )
And tht scare s me too, because I am not sure they are willing to remove some many of the bugs in socialism 1.0 that served the inner party ,members lol.
 
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Oldsalt

Well-Known Member
#5
Hm...

Karl Marx with a wand and wings fluttering around redstributing wealth.
I like that mental picture.
Infact I think I want that drawn on something.

I also want a crome bust of Marx's head with his hair blown back and eyeballs buldging as an orniment for my mini where the head light used to be.

Time to get serious for a moment though.
What fixes social inequailty and raises a standard of living now when the system is so fooked up as it is now.
Geniune question Oldsalt.
Because I have no answeres....

Socialism 2.0 is going to get rolled out soon me thinks, just needs the right salesman.
( there are also competing products like Fascism 3.0 )
And tht scare s me too, because I am not sure they are willing to remove some many of the bugs in socialism 1.0 that served the inner party ,members lol.
NOS

I don't like to post really long missives. But here goes.

I believe you have, at last, come to the core of the matter. You ask "What fixes social inequality?" The endless alligator tears for the downtrodden and the railing at the mythical 1% [all Fat Cats] rest entirely on a couple of beliefs that are held so tightly by the liberals/socialists that none seem to ever question their validity. You say it is a serious question....serious to whom? To me, and a lot of Conservatives, that question is based on a series of false assumptions. As ignorant as "If we had some eggs we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham".

1. The first assumption is that ONLY the ruling government is able, or qualified, or legitimized, or whatever, to address all social problems. Only a person that is severely challenged history-wise would still believe that any government dabbling in social experimentation [unarguably that is what it is] can correct anything!

2. The real loony mindset, as far as liberal do-gooders are concerned, is that it's possible for there to be "Fairness" in this universe. How stupid can anyone get....yet there are big political parties that wrap their arms around the ignorant notion that not only is it [without question] possible but that bigger and bigger government is the [again without questioning the validity of the premise] the tool to do it! Wake up. NOTHING is fair.

Good grief, how difficult is it to see that from birth, nay from conception, some are greater or lesser. Some born to ding-dong parents and some that acquired well to do or, on the other hand, poor parents. Or born in the wrong country. Or the wrong era. But no matter what the inequality issue [IQ, genetic ugliness, social belief that learning English is a sell-out, genetic predisposition to being a druggie & etc,] the socialists want to "Fix" it all. Sorry to say, but a whale of a lot of inequities cannot be fixed. Too many poor people are quite content with being on the edge of society. They ether can't or won't help themselves. There is absolutely no way that taxing the Fat Cats and giving it to that strata will make for "fairness".

3. Lefties are intrinsically math impaired. In as much as the ONLY thing they can think of to "Fix" the "Unfairness" is to throw money at it. That is as far as their thinking goes. The Fat Cats [by Liberal definition that is any successful institution making a profit in our capitalist system, and any and all individuals that has succeed due to hard work or perseverance or diligence] is to be more heavily taxed [every year their definition of "more" escalates] and a larger and larger portion of the production of the country is given to the low or non-producers. That is unarguably what the Lefties shout for. But there are a couple of flies in the ointment. The first is that the businesses that are hit with a greater tax will pass it on. I know this is a shock. But it is true. They will not, because they want to stay in business, simply eat it. They pass on the tax cost in the form of higher prices for goods and services. Then everyone, INCLUDING the 'downtrodden', will pay more. Which means that taxes again must be raised, and the money sprinkled on the downtrodden to help keep things "Fair". Incredible stupidity.

The other and more insidious fly in the ointment is the fact that all wealth is derived by adding value to raw commodities. [Although Obama is convinced that all that is only necessary is to print more greenbacks].

The ore is mined. Miners are given money for that [You have a passing familiarity with that]. Steel is made. Value is added....they give money for that. Steel is made into an eggbeater...more value added. So what happens when a larger and larger segment of the society is given the benefits of the added value without actually adding value????? Can you guess? The country on that socialist road is slowly but surely unable to compete with their more efficient neighbors in the word market.

Socialism has had only one effect where ever it has been practiced in any modern country for any length of time....It has made EVERY member of the county poorer. And guaranteed that the percentage of poor will increase. And made it easier and easier for individuals to truly believe that all they have to do for a living is vote for whomever promises the most free-bees! Look at Europe!

After that long winded post I will answer your question [What fixes social inequities]. The answer is almost nothing works for an individual except effort and luck. For countries the only thing that works is to maximize the earning potential for businesses....taxing has EXACTLY the opposite effect.
 
#6
Great post.

So what do you think is going to happen?

We already have massive govermernt intervention in the ecconomy.
The pumped a mountain of papper fiat into the gears to keep them turning.

Now they are trying to get out of it and suck money back out to pay the debts.
Some tax some cut services net effect is the same.

Is it 1937 again in your opinion too?
 

Oldsalt

Well-Known Member
#10
Great post.

So what do you think is going to happen?

We already have massive govermernt intervention in the ecconomy.
The pumped a mountain of papper fiat into the gears to keep them turning.

Now they are trying to get out of it and suck money back out to pay the debts.
Some tax some cut services net effect is the same.

Is it 1937 again in your opinion too?
It is probably too late to ever go back to the system that worked and gave us prosperity and our freedoms for a hundred or so years. Capitalism. As you point out governmental intervention into a free market has, bit by bit, lead us to the present situation. Self reliance and 'do or die' determination to make ends meet, at an individual and personal level, has been largely replaced by a common reliance on a 'safety net' put in place by the government at the behest of the stupid short sighted liberals.

A unhandy portion of the population, generally less than 40 yrs., seem to have the idea that it is not possible to miss a meal no matter how lax they are about saving money or even harboring an Oh Humm attitude about education or making a living. AND THEY ARE RIGHT!

Some [many] don't even think it is necessary to speak English and another large faction of the population has historically bastardized the English language purposely; by leaving out one syllable in every word! Why not TRY to be unemployable?!

The massive blanket of free social services we have demanded our government provide has shifted the RESPONSIBILITY from the individual to the government. It has crept into the upper middle class. Rather than save money for the education for their children they, more and more, take advantage of free-bees as if they are not responsible and capable [this is a personal observation based on observation of my friends]. In a nut-shell welfare programs [federal, state, and local], at one time meant only to help the really needy, are served up to a higher and higher level in our society.

Then along came Obama. An avowed Socialist [although the socialists changes the name to 'Progressive' in the late 30s] that has A New Vision For America. It's not new at all, merely more blatant.

You asked me what I think will happen down the road a ways? O.K., I believe that we, in the West, have reached the tilting point where we now have approx. half the population that gets a little or a lot from give-a-way programs. We are behind Europe by at least a couple of decades as far as turning into a completely socialistic nation. They have, almost every nation in the EU, hit the reality wall. Self induced by tax and spend policies demanded by a population that will vote for whomever promises the most unearned support. All you have to do is take a peek at the current insoluble economic/social problems rife among these nations which the Liberals repeatedly said we should be more like. And the jerks, even with the evidence of what happens burning before our eyes, are STILL saying it!

Using that scenario as a guide for forecasting the future; I would say we have another decade before all in this country are substantially poorer and the poor poorer than currently poor. As the manufacturing efficiency of our nation is lowered by Socialism we will, just like Europe, be less and less able to compete in the world market. We were hit bad by Cuina's cheap, efficient manufacturing. In Europe it was/is worse.

Don't worry! Be Happy!
 
#12
Ukranians have made plain their intentions to the WTO to raise import tarrifs on 300 items from cut flowers to cars.

Its a howitzer pointed at 18 trillion dollars in global trade and free traders everywhere.
Should make for some entertaining movements on the political scene in the EU and Central Eroupe.

On the one hand I am receptive to the idea of them growing a set of testicals and actualy putting there own interests ahead of the global trade concept.
On the other hand its exactly this kind of behavior that amped up the depression into the great depression.....

So how much mayhem can 50 million Ukranians create?
Dunno lets see....
 
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