Debate ,,,,,am confused
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Yes, they've been doing the exact same thing as their Republican colleagues, bailing out private investors, escalating the war in Afghanistan, renewing the "Patriot Act" (which Obama promised he would repeal), AND trying to force Americans to purchase a privately sold service, which would be a GOLD MINE for the insurance companies.
I think you are experiencing selective memory loss.
Agreed, too bad Obama has just followed the Bush doctrine/outline to a T. Yes, we "left" Iraq (following the Bush withdrawal plan), but we have escalated our troop numbers in neighboring countries and are now posturing to attack Iran. Has our military spending decreased under Obama?
And who made those loans? Who was overseeing Freddie and Fanny when those shady guidelines were created? How does this have anything to do with Romney? Obama was a senator during this period, Romney had no position in the federal government. How can anyone reasonably blame Romney for this? That's like blaming Obama for Romneycare's poor performance in MA.
This is all just BS. Romney has released more tax returns than any other presidential candidate. 19 yrs worth, who else has released that much tax info... yet the lies continue.
More inaccuracies, Romney has said repeatedly that he supported the bailouts, he supported them before they were done, when they were being formulated and implemented and after.
Um, considering your post, you have no room to be critical here
The first accurate thing in your post :thumbsup: Fiscally Clinton was the most conservative president we have had in the last 20 yrs. Remember, he had a Republican congress (congress is the only body authorized to spend money, so they create the budget, the president can only approve or veto, and make requests. Other than his inability to control his libido, I think he was a very good president.
Obama has not reduced our debt, or spending by one cent, he has actually added $6 Trillion to our debt.
I am not a big Romney fan, I frankly think that he and Obama are far too similar, both centrists. But of the two, I would MUCH rather have Romney, who has actually been in the business world, who understands the economy, and has actually saved and created far more American jobs than Obama, Heck just with his work with Staples (the office supply store), he has created more jobs than all of Obama's failed green initiatives combined.
I think you are experiencing selective memory loss.
Agreed, too bad Obama has just followed the Bush doctrine/outline to a T. Yes, we "left" Iraq (following the Bush withdrawal plan), but we have escalated our troop numbers in neighboring countries and are now posturing to attack Iran. Has our military spending decreased under Obama?
And who made those loans? Who was overseeing Freddie and Fanny when those shady guidelines were created? How does this have anything to do with Romney? Obama was a senator during this period, Romney had no position in the federal government. How can anyone reasonably blame Romney for this? That's like blaming Obama for Romneycare's poor performance in MA.
This is all just BS. Romney has released more tax returns than any other presidential candidate. 19 yrs worth, who else has released that much tax info... yet the lies continue.
More inaccuracies, Romney has said repeatedly that he supported the bailouts, he supported them before they were done, when they were being formulated and implemented and after.
Um, considering your post, you have no room to be critical here
The first accurate thing in your post :thumbsup: Fiscally Clinton was the most conservative president we have had in the last 20 yrs. Remember, he had a Republican congress (congress is the only body authorized to spend money, so they create the budget, the president can only approve or veto, and make requests. Other than his inability to control his libido, I think he was a very good president.
Obama has not reduced our debt, or spending by one cent, he has actually added $6 Trillion to our debt.
I am not a big Romney fan, I frankly think that he and Obama are far too similar, both centrists. But of the two, I would MUCH rather have Romney, who has actually been in the business world, who understands the economy, and has actually saved and created far more American jobs than Obama, Heck just with his work with Staples (the office supply store), he has created more jobs than all of Obama's failed green initiatives combined.
I see that the highest percentage of posts are of the quaint variety that maintain "ALL politicians lie and are rotten".
In the last few years when you hear someone base there ENTIRE political judgement on that one line there is something else they are REALLY saying.
That something is: "I voted for the Socialist Anti-American Obama [and quickly found out I was stupid and fooled] so now rather than admit, even to myself, that he is the worst mistake America has ever made I attempt to save some face by inventing the fact that ALL politicians are rotten which, in my subconscious mind, makes me feel less like an idiot.
In the last few years when you hear someone base there ENTIRE political judgement on that one line there is something else they are REALLY saying.
That something is: "I voted for the Socialist Anti-American Obama [and quickly found out I was stupid and fooled] so now rather than admit, even to myself, that he is the worst mistake America has ever made I attempt to save some face by inventing the fact that ALL politicians are rotten which, in my subconscious mind, makes me feel less like an idiot.
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I know you aren't going to be swayed, but no need to watch the whole flip flip weasel, just go to 5:10 and watch for yourself on GM, of course the whole video is recorded flip flops, he is just like his running mate for V.P. Totaly without credibility. You seem to be just like him, you have no proof to the contrary of what I have said, but here is my proof on video, recorded for the record.
Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'? - YouTube
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Has Romney been a flip-flopper?
Are Rupp Roadsters cool?
Heck Yeah.
I never said he wasn't a flip-flopper. I was a Ron Paul supporter, and still am, but given the choice between an unknown risk and certain economic death, I will take the unknown risk.
As for the video... I can post a whole bunch of those featuring Obama, one minute praising Romneycare and saying that Obamacare was patterned after it, the next clip trying to tear Romneycare up; or vowing to repeal the Patriot act, then signing two extensions of the act into law. etc, etc. It is easy to take 2 second clips and soundbytes and paste them together into a piece that seems to show something that does not exist.
In this case, the bit you referred to, Romney is commenting on a piece he had written advocating managed bankruptcy for the auto industry. The piece was named "Let Detroit go Bankrupt", and was about how certain American auto-makers would need to undergo a managed bankruptcy in order to remain competitive and survive. This is oddly exactly what did happen, and has produced leaner companies which are more able to compete.
Here is a link. FACT CHECK: Romney Talks Up The Autos, But Would Have ?Let Detroit Go Bankrupt? — Press Releases — Barack Obama
I really don't think I need links to prove my other assertions, as they are self evident to the unblind. The national debt was just over $10 trillion when Obama took office, it is now over $16 trillion.
Bush was a horrible president, I didn't vote for him, and I am a registered Republican. Obama has been just as bad, or worse, he has held to and expanded the Bush agenda of propagating a welfare/warfare state.
Are Rupp Roadsters cool?
Heck Yeah.
I never said he wasn't a flip-flopper. I was a Ron Paul supporter, and still am, but given the choice between an unknown risk and certain economic death, I will take the unknown risk.
As for the video... I can post a whole bunch of those featuring Obama, one minute praising Romneycare and saying that Obamacare was patterned after it, the next clip trying to tear Romneycare up; or vowing to repeal the Patriot act, then signing two extensions of the act into law. etc, etc. It is easy to take 2 second clips and soundbytes and paste them together into a piece that seems to show something that does not exist.
In this case, the bit you referred to, Romney is commenting on a piece he had written advocating managed bankruptcy for the auto industry. The piece was named "Let Detroit go Bankrupt", and was about how certain American auto-makers would need to undergo a managed bankruptcy in order to remain competitive and survive. This is oddly exactly what did happen, and has produced leaner companies which are more able to compete.
Here is a link. FACT CHECK: Romney Talks Up The Autos, But Would Have ?Let Detroit Go Bankrupt? — Press Releases — Barack Obama
I really don't think I need links to prove my other assertions, as they are self evident to the unblind. The national debt was just over $10 trillion when Obama took office, it is now over $16 trillion.
Bush was a horrible president, I didn't vote for him, and I am a registered Republican. Obama has been just as bad, or worse, he has held to and expanded the Bush agenda of propagating a welfare/warfare state.
As for GM aka: government motors since when does the president of the United States have the power to fire or at least run off the CEO of a private corporation. GM should have gone into bankruptcy and re-organized but obama took control for the unions to allow them to step in and grab a chunk of GM, if they went into bankruptcy all contacts would probably had to be re- negotiated the bunkruptcy courts have people that do this everyday , prime example Delta Airline - bankruptcy worked for them.
You’re Fired! Obama Fires GM’s CEO
You’re Fired! Obama Fires GM’s CEO
As far as I'm concerned the attached pic says it all. It is currently in my yard near the road. A limp wrested Demo neighbor is livid about it. I saved up this from way back when. Back when the Left Loonies were saying that pair was the best thing since sliced bread. Now they totally refuse to mention ether's name! And with good reason.
Look back ....Remember Carter? He was [and to the worst of that ilk remains] their hero! Gave away the Panama Canal to make America as unsafe as possible. How about Clinton? Disgraced the office of the presidency. A really sick puppy.....he could have disgraced the office worse only if he had been taping kiddy porn. Then lied to a Federal judge and then lied to a Federal Grand Jury...got impeached. But the Lefties still love him! Hard to believe folks that are otherwise bright could be so stupid.
But Kerry and ESPECIALLY Edwards are non-persons to Democraps. Edwards really was hanging around Clinton far too much....don't ya think?
Need I say anything about Buck Ofama? Apparently the dimwits that expect to get something for free will support even a person as anti-US, anti-christian, and anti-honest wage earner as he openly claims to be!
Look back ....Remember Carter? He was [and to the worst of that ilk remains] their hero! Gave away the Panama Canal to make America as unsafe as possible. How about Clinton? Disgraced the office of the presidency. A really sick puppy.....he could have disgraced the office worse only if he had been taping kiddy porn. Then lied to a Federal judge and then lied to a Federal Grand Jury...got impeached. But the Lefties still love him! Hard to believe folks that are otherwise bright could be so stupid.
But Kerry and ESPECIALLY Edwards are non-persons to Democraps. Edwards really was hanging around Clinton far too much....don't ya think?
Need I say anything about Buck Ofama? Apparently the dimwits that expect to get something for free will support even a person as anti-US, anti-christian, and anti-honest wage earner as he openly claims to be!
Where you been? The difference is that the liberal/socialist wants 'redistribution of wealth'. The conservative wants to conserve the Constitution that says it can't be done by the federal government [Constitution was written to LIMIT the power of the federal government]. You really should read the document sometime then perhaps you would not be so confused that everything looks the same to you..
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Uhm.....
Patriot act?
Before one side or the other realy sets up on high the ground I think its worth considering America now blows up more people in more countries than ever before in history.
It even assisinates its own citizens.
Now if you think a Conservative or a Liberal point of view in way shape or form can wrap itself in the flag and say we defend the consitution and cival rights you might want to consider the detentions camps around the world and use of torture you have adopted in the past decade and have not realy backed away from since.
What ever happend to inocent untill proven guilty and jury of your peers.
I know political killings are probably cheaper, but that reduces you to the level of, well.....
Isreal..................................
Patriot act?
Before one side or the other realy sets up on high the ground I think its worth considering America now blows up more people in more countries than ever before in history.
It even assisinates its own citizens.
Now if you think a Conservative or a Liberal point of view in way shape or form can wrap itself in the flag and say we defend the consitution and cival rights you might want to consider the detentions camps around the world and use of torture you have adopted in the past decade and have not realy backed away from since.
What ever happend to inocent untill proven guilty and jury of your peers.
I know political killings are probably cheaper, but that reduces you to the level of, well.....
Isreal..................................
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You have always shown a marked propensity of believing anything in print that damns America. However, this is truly your best effort at dishing up left wing Canadian media drivel, re-cycling it by some secret thought process, and spewing it out as Gods truth. This stuff is further out than ever I believed you were capable.
Your Quote: "America now blows up more people in other countries than ever before in history". Totally stupid. If you were in high school I would be inclined to simply chuckle. But somehow I feel that beyond saying "We have been called worse by better", there is no place to start with such a piece of know-knowing garbage. Do you think it would be OK for us to start making up untrue trash about Canada? Of course that will never happen because the folks on this side of the border are not fixated, in an unhealthy way, about what goes on in Canada. When we do think about Canada we simply have dull images of tinned herring, cedar shingles, bacon, and yaks.
Your Quote: "....consider the detention camps around the world and use of torture you have adopted in the past decade and have not backed away from since". My-O-My....your socialist, anti-America upbringing [fostered by the Limp Wrested Canadian newspapers] found extremely fertile ground in your brain! Please! Please! Tell me you not really been that badly deluded and misguided! An obviously intelligent and accomplished full grown man believing such rot? Hard for me to accept...tell me you are just teasing...that utterance give me grounds to be worried about, should I say, 'stability' issues. But, clearly and sadly, you do adhere to a strange and warped world view.
Your Quote: "What ever happened to inocent [sic] untill [sic] proven guilty and jury of your peers". If you are laboring under the quaint notion that citizens of Canada enjoy greater judicial protection than citizens of the U.S.of A. you have had your head in the sand or have been off your meds for far too long. Where do you get this crap? I have spent a lot of time in Canada so I am aware of how loonie your left wing media [newspapers, TV, radio] is. Where ever you are getting your information from, it has got to be far left of your already left-leaning media. Does it come from North Korea? Iran? Gaza Strip? Those are my guesses.
You have always shown a marked propensity of believing anything in print that damns America. However, this is truly your best effort at dishing up left wing Canadian media drivel, re-cycling it by some secret thought process, and spewing it out as Gods truth. This stuff is further out than ever I believed you were capable.
Your Quote: "America now blows up more people in other countries than ever before in history". Totally stupid. If you were in high school I would be inclined to simply chuckle. But somehow I feel that beyond saying "We have been called worse by better", there is no place to start with such a piece of know-knowing garbage. Do you think it would be OK for us to start making up untrue trash about Canada? Of course that will never happen because the folks on this side of the border are not fixated, in an unhealthy way, about what goes on in Canada. When we do think about Canada we simply have dull images of tinned herring, cedar shingles, bacon, and yaks.
Your Quote: "....consider the detention camps around the world and use of torture you have adopted in the past decade and have not backed away from since". My-O-My....your socialist, anti-America upbringing [fostered by the Limp Wrested Canadian newspapers] found extremely fertile ground in your brain! Please! Please! Tell me you not really been that badly deluded and misguided! An obviously intelligent and accomplished full grown man believing such rot? Hard for me to accept...tell me you are just teasing...that utterance give me grounds to be worried about, should I say, 'stability' issues. But, clearly and sadly, you do adhere to a strange and warped world view.
Your Quote: "What ever happened to inocent [sic] untill [sic] proven guilty and jury of your peers". If you are laboring under the quaint notion that citizens of Canada enjoy greater judicial protection than citizens of the U.S.of A. you have had your head in the sand or have been off your meds for far too long. Where do you get this crap? I have spent a lot of time in Canada so I am aware of how loonie your left wing media [newspapers, TV, radio] is. Where ever you are getting your information from, it has got to be far left of your already left-leaning media. Does it come from North Korea? Iran? Gaza Strip? Those are my guesses.
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