I thought I start a new thread on the Rupps with the crocked down tube on the 1970 and up Rupps after chatting with dobber on the Field find rupp post. I have pictures under my user name not sure on how to get pictures listed in this post. All frames I have are like this. Also have pictures of the tilt rear wheel syndrome or the Rupp lean as some have called it on the 1970 and up Rupps.